'Rugby can be pretty complicated': Cole and Youngs tackle plain speaking in hit podcast

02/15/2025 03:00 AM

As a sports journalist, I learned more about these players in a couple of episodes than years of press conferences

Things are a little different around England's training base at Pennyhill Park this year. It's not just that they have a new captain or a couple of uncapped players, it's that you have to go way back to 2009 to find the last time that one, the other, or, more often than not, both of Ben Youngs and Dan Cole weren't with the squad.

The Leicester pair have been ever-present through the best and worst of the past 15 years of English rugby, until Youngs, 35, retired from Test rugby after the last World Cup. His great mate Cole, 37, went on one more year, until the head coach, Steve Borthwick, finally decided to leave him out of the squad this spring. Cole hasn't officially announced his own international retirement but only because, he says drily, that "it would feel like locking the stable door after the horse has already bolted".